tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4812887797823417098.post3956613915187355748..comments2023-10-10T22:21:55.411+08:00Comments on Malaysians Unplugged Uncensored: The USD 50 Billion for RMK9 'Report': Bank Negara Cannot be THAT Stupid ! Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4812887797823417098.post-28017727921412891732007-01-19T14:47:00.000+08:002007-01-19T14:47:00.000+08:00Dear Malaysian Unplug,
Thank you for your respons...Dear Malaysian Unplug,<br /><br />Thank you for your response and your comments are noted but some issues need to be aired.<br /><br />If the person is essentially a pathological liar or a sociopath then we get the classic liar paradox as to whether what he says is true or not. (I am not wishing to engage in a debate on this paradox or others in the Epimenides or Taskian tradition).<br /><br />Murderers or rapist may tell the truth about certain matters but not all – for instance they may not tell the truth about the murder or the rape itself.<br />However a pathological liar by definition is a person whose statements about generally most matters cannot be relied upon.<br /><br />On your other matters raised, all I can say is we do not live in a perfect world hence sometimes pure theoretical logic often does not apply.<br /><br />And Ganesh DOES NOT follow the rules of logic nor evidence nor humanitarian fair play.<br /><br />For instance, by legal, humanitarian logic and fair play, reporters (or for that matter extortionists or criminals and murderers - and this is circular logic as we do not expect extortionists/criminals to follow fair game do we?) should find out the truth before publishing matters. As “publication” could destroy and harm innocent individuals and organisations.<br /><br />But not so, persons of Ganesh’s ilk will engage in “Trail by Media”.. The etymology of “Trial by Media” was derived from the context of a court matter in progress while the media embarked on certain liberties which may or may not be supported by evidence.<br /><br />However Ganesh’s brand of “Trial By Media” is a misnomer. It is in fact lies calculated to assassinate individuals and organisations. So even when no court matter is in progress he will randomly picks (or directed by his pay or political masters) a person or organisation of means or perceived power as a target. He will then create out of nothing a fabricated story and commence mass circulation and dissemination of its contents. Hence he has the intention to destroy a person’s or organisation’s reputation and livelihood. When livelihood and income are affected unjustly, in a perfect world this would be akin to “murder”.<br /><br />Analogously, take the alleged axis of “righteousness” – United States, Australia and United Kingdom”. Since September 11, the draconian U.S Patriot Act (the word “draconian” in this context is in fact an euphemism for corruption and abuse of power and human rights) to imprison someone or annihilate organisations on the mere suspicion and rumour of alleged terrorist like activities or alleged links to terrorist type activities. This often extends to “punishment” based or skin colour or religion but a lame excuse related to “illegal or criminal activity” is often given to justify such “punishment”<br /><br />And often in a very practical scenario (which has happened many times before) these governments or in our context (these extortionists) would freeze the accounts of innocent persons/entities making these very victims unable to afford legal representation to prove the truth or the fact of their innocence.<br /><br />These then are the tactics used by the Ganesh and his group of blackmailers.<br /><br />So on a practical and real life basis, is there incentive for an innocent individual/orgnisation to prove its righteousness when it is already destroyed?<br /><br />You also mentioned suing for libel. In real life –<br /><br />1) Governments as a whole do not often sue on such matters as this, they surmise detracts them from the perceived regalness (Though the Singaporean Government may be different);<br /><br />2) Individual ministers or politicians may take action and sue or defamation;<br /><br />In the case of persons of Ganesh’s ilk, ironically they often issue (and have issued) threats by instigating their victims to take legal proceedings against them. They taunt their victims by saying that they have made themselves bankrupt or impecunious and additionally that they would enjoy the publicity. Hence even if victims win a court battle, they lost the war as the victims found themselves losing everything they own because of legal expenses. It is an empty victori.<br /><br />Unfortunately the LAW does not often equate to JUSTICE. This is real life not theory.<br /><br />CONCLUSION:<br /><br />Consequent to the above, therefore, to say that Truth is independent of the messenger when the messenger cannot be trusted is inaccurate and practically disastrous. The unscrupulous messenger will disseminate false information PRIOR to discovering the TRUTH. In this time line sequence, the victims are destroyed before the TRUTH can be shown. This is not Justice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4812887797823417098.post-67676957510153682832007-01-17T12:28:00.000+08:002007-01-17T12:28:00.000+08:00Reaearcher
Your comments on Ganesh Sahathevan ar...Reaearcher<br /><br />Your comments on Ganesh Sahathevan are noted. <br /><br />Be what it may you said about this individual's motives and intent, the core issue is still the subject matter that was raised:<br /><br />That is: Whether this "report" of USD 50 billion to be sourced via two questionable companies is true or not or whether a scam has been exposed.<br /><br />Leaving aside the integrity of the messenger, of concern to Malaysians is whether what is being reported should be a grave concern to Malaysians.<br /><br />If a truth is being exposed and eventually confirmed to be so, it does not matter if that truth was made known by a thief or a murderer. The messenger is of less importance if the message is correct.<br /><br />It is for Malaysians to verify the truth of what had been reported, be it coming from this person Ganesh who you feel is unscrupulous, or any other individual.<br /><br />If the report of the USD 50 billion had been falsely spread by Ganesh, who , it would seem, had initiated this issue in the media, then the Govt can sue Ganesh for whatever it is worth for libel/slander etc. <br /><br />The issue at hand, I am afraid, is not Ganesh, but the report itself? If the report is NOT true, then the issue is Ganesh. And we know where he is, who he is and where he lives in Sydney to redress what he had done.Malaysian Unplughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873155000184101928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4812887797823417098.post-87773922025589089872007-01-17T11:39:00.000+08:002007-01-17T11:39:00.000+08:00The description of Ganesh in the so called “safe-d...The description of Ganesh in the so called “safe-democracy organisation and the related Madrid organisationslub” was given by Ganesh Sahathevan himself. The safe-democracy organisation and its related organisations in Madrid are funded by extremists Jewish elements with concerted Anti-Muslim and Anti-Asian stance.<br /><br />Ganesh was a former “Sun” reporter in the 1990’s but fell foul of his employer because he was reporting matters which were not true. His colleagues found out that the reason he fabricated his articles about the Government, organisations and persons of note was to create a situation where he could blackmail and extort these organisations and persons.<br /><br />Ganesh is dangerous because he is at heart a sociopath and pathological liar – a multi-headed snake For instance in the past he has given the impression to certain PAS people that he is a strong supporter and yet to certain UMNO people he gives the impression he is on UMNO’s side.<br /><br />Such a person often attracts the extremist and criminal elements. And sure enough, Ganesh is presently being supported by extremist Jewish and some criminal elements to create dissension in Malaysia, Australia and wherever and whenever his masters determine.<br /><br />One of his modus operandi is to Carbon Copy his emails to all and sundry particularly to bloggers, politicians and other media outlets. His emails and “articles” are often structured to contain some aspects of truth but with big doses of lies and fabrication. The gullible will lap his lies up and these include many western reporters and western organisations or regulatory authorities.<br /><br />Read this:<br /><br />http://www.malaysia-today.net/Blog-e/2005/06/rosnah-omar-leaving-trail-of-disasters.htm<br /><br />I have worked with and along side Ganesh Sahathevan when he was in Malaysia. My comments and assessments are shared by all who know Ganesh Sahathevan. Ganesh Sahathevan is BAD NEWS.<br /><br />When he was in Malaysia, he would often raise dubious and false accusations against companies and individuals. His fantasy knows no bounds. He would accuse without evidence companies being associated with various personalities or being engaged in illegal activities when in fact the companies and individuals were totally innocent.<br /><br />However when challenged by other journalist to prove his allegations he despicably says "Who Cares". But he would persistently demand "proof" from the organisations and individuals he attacks. Double criminal standards. Unfortunately Ganesh has never realised nor admitted his wrongs and inconsistencies.<br />That is why I sincerely believe Ganesh is a CRIMINAL PSYCHOPATH.<br /><br />Ganesh's accusations which he spreads via emails, internet or by word of mouth would often devastate companies and individuals in terms of public perception and investments.<br /><br />When he began attacking falsely Bank Negara and certain government agencies and became the purveyor of lies he was then pursued by the authorities and he fled to Australia. He was additionally sued by Tan Sri Vincent Tan. As a result he "hates all Chinese".<br /><br />I am not surprised if he has progressed to terrorism because even when he was in Malaysia he would often request either directly or indirectly financial consideration for him to withdraw or stop the spread of those lies. Ganesh used to tell colleagues "I DESERVE THE MONEY AND MY VICTIMS DESERVE MY BRAND OF PUNISHMENT"<br /><br />He is the JUDGE, JURY AND EXECUTIONER - but of the EVIL KIND<br /><br />I know 3 of his previous bosses, one of them an Australian in Australia who commented Ganesh is the "LOWEST OF THE LOWEST SCUM, spreading lies and feeding on vulnerability of companies and individuals to extract financial and/or other benefits.<br /><br />Pity the innocent Anwar Ibrahim, CIBT and other organisations and persons who are victims of Ganesh!<br /><br />But more "PITIFUL" are the authorities and regulators in Malaysia & Australia and; the inexperienced reporters in Malaysia and Australia (like Jacqueline Ho & M Shanmugam of "The Edge"; Peter Martin and Ginny Stein of the insignificant SBS TV Australia & Russell Robinson of tabloids) who are ignorant of Ganesh's criminal activities in the 1990's in Malaysia and in the 2000's in Australia.<br /><br />BELOW ARE SOME NEWS REPORTS ON GANESH<br /><br />GANESH SAHATHEVAN ATTEMPTED EXTORTION AND BLACKMAIL OF SYDNEY BUSES<br /><br />http://members.fortunecity.com/sparksweb/archive.htm<br /><br />SYDNEY BUSES ON THE NOSE <br /><br />By G.Knight<br /><br />A Sydney Buses cleaner, Mr Ganesh Sahathevan, is facing dismissal from Sydney Buses after complaining and going public on the dangers of a chemical cleanser cleaners are given to use on the interior of buses. Mr Sahathevan began his campaign against the cleaning compound manufactured by Polo Citrus, when he began feeling ill last year. Mr Sahathevan claims he was suffering from respiratory problems, asthma, headaches and in the most severe case, vomiting. The Polo Citrus product, manufactured by a company called B.R. Mining Services (which in itself has a very interesting background), contains the chemical tubitutoxyethanol. Other workers at Sydney Buses have complained from the side effects of using the chemical and being exposed to the fumes. Mr Sahathevan said he was not only concerned for his own health, but other cleaners at the depot (including one who does not speak English at all well) have complained of illnesses and symptoms that are similar after having used the chemical. Mr Sahathevan also said his concern was the depot was a major centre for school buses and he felt the children travelling on the buses when they have been freshly cleaned were being exposed to fumes from the cleanser. Mr Sahathevan took his complaint to the depot management and then to RTBU (Rail Train and Bus Union) - the relevant union. <br />_______________<br /><br />GANESH SAHATHEVAN’S FALSE REPORTING<br /><br />Excerpt from “THE STAR” www.thestar.com.my<br /><br />Tuesday, August 22, 2000<br /><br />Witness: Journalist should have told supevisor<br /><br />KUALA LUMPUR: While it is not wrong for a journalist to report any misconduct to the relevant authorities, he would have to refer to his immediate supervisor first, the Industrial Court heard yesterday. <br /><br />Former editor-in-chief of The Sun Datuk Ahmad Rejal Arbee, 59, said this in the trial where sacked journalist Ganesh Sahathevan is seeking to be reinstated to the paper without monetary loss or otherwise. <br /><br />Ganesh was sacked by the Sun Media Group Sdn Bhd on Jan 14, 1997, after allegations were made against him and a domestic inquiry found him guilty on these charges: <br /><br />• That on Nov 17, 1996, he wrote an article which allegedly was not based on authentic information; <br /><br />• That he demanded a written explanation from a public relations consultant regarding a dispute involving a toll concessionaire and a developer failing which he threatened to report to the Securities Commission, which he allegedly did; <br /><br />• That he had acted without authorisation for the second charge; and <br /><br />• That on Nov 18, 1996 he had made abusive remarks to the financial controller and the editor-in-chief of the company. <br /><br />Cross-examined by counsel Siva Kumar Kanagasabai, Ahmad Rejal said he did not have proof that Ganesh had reported to Securities Commission but added that it was not the business of reporters to threaten others<br />Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:11:45 PMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4812887797823417098.post-50214609076941903262007-01-17T06:50:00.000+08:002007-01-17T06:50:00.000+08:00dek mat
There are two issues: Is it a scam or a ...dek mat<br /><br />There are two issues: Is it a scam or a fake?<br /><br />A reader on Jeff Ooi's blog on this issue wrote and posed the following questions correctly:<br /><br />1) Was this front-company Asasatu Technology involved in the scam or the scam originators illegally used their name to fraud the govt.<br /><br />(2) Did this aussie firm, Project Equity Services Group and/or Union Financial Services write to Bank Negara or Govt?<br /><br />(3) Is the Political Secretary part of the scam or buy into the scam and wrote to Bank Negara?<br /><br />(4) Did Bank Negara follow through from the Merican letter after that?<br /><br />If it is not a scam, then Police should investigate who falsify those letters to defraud the Govt?Malaysian Unplughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873155000184101928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4812887797823417098.post-68266497598922070782007-01-17T00:52:00.000+08:002007-01-17T00:52:00.000+08:00good report! i concur with everything you say!
I ...good report! i concur with everything you say!<br /><br />I even tried to tell Jeff Ooi in his comments of course that I thought the documents were fake but he didn't approve my comments :(<br /><br />so much for thinking allowed!Dek Mathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10630527545586473765noreply@blogger.com